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Alan / Katie, Trying to understand – what is the benefit for opening a LISA; just before 40 – since you have had a home before – you can’t use the money for home purchase nor can you withdraw the money in LISA until 60 years; as against pension – 57 years currently. You can contribute to LISA only until 50 years age, so compounding wont work as efficiently when compared to pension since you can keep adding to pension as long as you want. Unless you have both contributed to pensions to the full annual limit and then using the LISA to get the 25% benefit, instead of contributing to S/S ISA?
The money we are investing is for after we are 60. So it is long term investing You put the money in and it gets topped up by 25% meaning it is lower rate tax free When you get the money out you don’t pay tax either as it is in an ISA structure
This is the only way we have ever seen that you don’t get taxed at either end and the money can just grow, so this portion of our portfolio is to look after us after 60.
I cannot for the life of me get the dates to work in the right format!!
I’m copying from my bank CSV (in England) so the date in column B is for example 30/05/2025 for the end of May and then in the calculated value in column H also shows 30/05/2025. Where as is if the date is 01/05/2025 for the start of May, column H is showing 5th Jan.
Clearly there’s so mis-match between UK/USA way of writing dates but I’m struggling to fix it without manually re-typing all the dates into column B. Any ideas? (Mac user, using online Microsoft excel, in the UK)
Hey Anna! Great question. One tip to try is to change the overall region setting for the spreadsheet. Find “settings” for the spreadsheet as a whole and my guess is that it’s set to USA rather than UK. Let me know if that works! I’m not sure the exact name for the setting and I’m away from my laptop so you might have to google what it is but usually it’s under file and then settings!
Hi thanks for running this course, it’s eye opening, especially as I hope to have financial freedom by Oct this year. I have some questions about the net worth calculator please: 1) My hubby in receipt of his drawdown DC pension, should I include this in the Freedom fund please, or should that be in the what’s your gap tool please?
2) If it should be in the Freedom fund, do I add the value of the pot now, or do I multiply the annual payment amount by 25?
3) Should I factor my projected DB pension and tax free lump sum in Freedom fund now or wait until I get these in Nov?
4) our only debt is 0% credit cards and we’ll pay these off at the end of the 0% period using the savings I’m building rather than paying the full credit card bill each month. Should I still count these as debts or should I offset the debt against the savings amount on the calculator?
1. we would have it in Net-worth tracker. It is a DC pension so you just put the value. 2. It is only DB (defined Benefit) pensions that you multiply by 25. DC is the value it is and then you just take from that pot! 3. For the lump sum we would wait till November. Your numbers will look great them! lol. But for the actual pension bit put in 25 x now…… 4. good work paying it off whilst it is 0% interest. Love it. If it was me I would put it as debt until it has gone and then the tracker will automatically counter the cash against it in the total figure!
Thanks so much for the course – I love it! It’s pretty life changing stuff!
I am soon getting some money to put in investments, it’s a gift from a relative. Would this go in the net worth tracker? It will be a part of the freedom fund, but it doesn’t come from my earnings, so could skew the freedom rate?
Ruth it will skew the freedom rate but in a GREAT way! it doesn’t matter where the money comes from it matters what you do with it so if you are investing it and making it work then put it as income in the gap tracker and then in your net-worth as it is now your investments which is AMAZING. Love that you are doing this! Have you done the course before? ALan
Hello! Love the course and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the insights, tips, knowledge that you share with all of us. I would like to contribute more to my SIPP, but I don’t know where to start to calculate how much I can contribute. Do you know if there is a calculator somewhere that can help? Thank you in advance
Linda Hi Linda! So glad you’re loving the course and taking action—go you! 🙌 Let’s help you get clarity on your SIPP contributions. This is an overview and without knowing a bit more I have kept it pretty broad and generic. Can you give us more detail? Does this help you get started?
1. Do You Have a Defined Benefit (DB) Pension? If you’re contributing to a DB pension (like a final salary scheme), you’ll need to ask your provider how they value your contributions. DB pensions don’t work like SIPPs or personal pensions—they’re based on salary and years of service, and the value of your contributions is calculated differently. Your provider can give you a statement showing how much you’re contributing and what benefits you’re building.
2. UK Pension Contribution Limits (2025/26) Here’s a quick overview of the current rules:
You can contribute up to £60,000 per year across all your pensions and still receive tax relief. However, your maximum tax-relievable contribution is capped at your total PAYE income for the year. So if you earn £30,000, that’s your personal limit—even if you haven’t hit the £60,000 cap. If your income is over £260,000, your allowance may be tapered down to £10,000. You can also carry forward unused allowance from the previous three tax years if you were a member of a pension scheme during those years. If you’ve flexibly accessed your pension (e.g., taken income from a SIPP), your allowance may drop to £10,000 under the Money Purchase Annual Allowance. You’re asking all the right questions, Linda. Keep going—you’re building a strong foundation for your financial future!
Hi Alan and Katie – indescribable thanks for the course – I’ve missed some episodes so will be catching up with these. I read in a comment in the FB group that the course will only be up until Christmas. Will these resources and calculators be taken down too at that time, or will these be left up indefinitely? Huge thanks, once again – I can’t even BEGIN to imagine the hours and intensity of you putting this incredibly generous course together for us. Love and light xox
Natalie, you are LOVELY. thank you. The calculators will remain up and the videos will remain up a bit longer too. Someone made up Christmas but we didn’t correct it as we want people to have a deadline to keep them motivated!
Hi Katie and Alan, we’ve completed course and have absolutely loved it! A whole new world! We have the majority of our funds in fixed rate cash ISAs that we would like to transfer into S&S ISAs. However, they’re fixed until Nov, Dec and March with rates of roughly 4.5% for each. Do we make the transfer now and lose a chunk of the interest? Or wait until the end of the fixed terms? It feels like this indecision is stopping us from taking the next step towards our freedom!! Thanks again for your time and efforts, the course is amazing!!
Hey Claire, have you calculated what you would loose by moving early? The exact £££ amount? That might help you understand the decisions better.
Also November and December aren’t that far away so you can just wait till that date and transfer them. It is only a couple of months and isn’t going to make that much difference.
I would set the dates, put calendar reminders and maybe organise a fancy breakfast to open my new Stocks and Shares ISA and get the transfer going. Make a thing of it and look forward to doing it…….
Hi Katie and Alan, I’ve just completed the course on catch-up, I’m 60 and can’t believe I didn’t know this stuff! I’ve just re-evaluated my finances and moved them into global index funds and bingo – I can retire!
Question 1 – I have a large pension with £400K and a small pension with £100K is there any benefit in organising draw-down starting with the bigger fund or the smaller fund?
Question 2 – For tax purposes is it worth pulling a higher sum annually out of my pension to put it into my ISA? (they are both now on Vanguard and in the same global index fund)
Johanna, first off – HUGE congratulations! 🎉 You’ve just completed the course, re-evaluated your finances, moved into global index funds and realised you can retire?! That’s what we call a Rebel Finance mic drop moment! 💥💸
Some thoughts and ideas for you:
1️⃣ Big pension vs small pension – which to draw down first? There’s no one-size-fits-all answer, but here are a few things to consider:
Flexibility: If one pot has more flexible withdrawal options or lower fees, that might be the better starting point. Is there a reason you don’t move one into the other? DO they both have good fees and funds? Is it easy to combine?
2️⃣ Pulling pension into ISA – smart move? Yes, this can be a great strategy! You can:
Withdraw up to your personal allowance tax-free (currently £12,570). Then move that money into your ISA for continued tax-free growth. Just watch out for: Annual ISA contribution limits (£20k per year). Tax on pension withdrawals above your allowance. This kind of strategy is covered in our Drawdown bonus week. https://www.youtube.com/live/gUZFJbkCsuk?si=j58BJcxkMe_X0kjY Did you see that week? We are planning on writing course notes for it soon.
Hi Katie and Alan in episode 9 of the COURSE, you mention a letter template for higher tax rate payers to claim the extra tax relief from the HMRC without filling in a tax return
I’m loving the course and learning a lot but am an older person already getting some pension. Can you let me know where I put in the income from pensions I am receiving in the Net Worth tracker or does that not go there? Thank you very much
Hey Catherine, Income from a pension is income so that doesn’t go in the net-worth tracker. Is the pension a defined benefit pension? Or a Defined contribution pension? If it is DC then that value goes in the networth tracker. If it is DC then you put 25X the yearly income you get form the pension in the net-worth tracker as the value. Does that help? ALan
Hi Donegans, there was a form with blanks we could fill in to organise ourselves once retired (I think). I am sorry that’s so vague. I have a terrible memory, it was in one of the very last weeks of the course and mentioned a few times. I want to access it but for the life of me cannot as I just can’t find where it was mentioned in the sessions. Any ideas what I might be talking about? It definitely had blanks to fill in and it is not the retirement calculator or the financial forecasting playground, as we are using them and the latter is particularly amazing. Thank you.
Hey Joyce, I knew how you feel. Sometimes I end up going, where was that thing and how do I find it! Was it eh bridging calculator, they works out how much you need between the sipp and state pension? Was it the Investor Policy Statement creator? for working out how to invest and organise your money? Can you tell me more about the purpose? ALan
Thank you for doing the course. We love your T-Shirts and looked forward to seeing what new Shirts you would be wearing each week. What I didn’t understand is that you said to spread the risk as much as possible with a Global index tracker, but the one you use excludes the UK so are missing out on further diversification. Why is that please?
Hey Kathryn the global fund didn’t exist when we started so we have most in the other fund. You are right that it is less global the one we have primarily got (we have £100,000 of the global one too) but the UK is only 3.6% of the global market and so doesn’t make that much difference overall. Does that help? Alan
Hi Alan and Katie, Thanks very much for the course, brilliant and life changing. I have been using the excellent Financial Forecasting tool and changing the figures constantly, it’s addictive! Although our total investments with the expected BTL sale included will amount to around £210k, with the 15k police pension I now receive, 2 small SIPPS and a bit of work next year, (having some time out ) we should never run out of money, even though it is far below the annual spend x 25, probably because we are mid 50s and worryingly the state pension age is only 12 years away!
My wife has found a small pension that had very little paid in to it over 30 years ago, which now has a value of £16k. This is in the Rainbow Personal Plan with Zurich, managed plan! I would like to transfer this into a Vanguard SIPP instead and continue top up later. Are there any issues to be aware of? Thanks
Hi, loving the course! Thank you so much! We are in the process of selling our home. We are moving for husbands work. He is 55 and I would love for him to be able to have the choice to work or retire in the next 5 years. He hasn’t done the course but I have and I am currently trying to forecast what our freedom fund would be if we a) ported mortgage into similar value property b) bought cheaper and invested the remaining equity and c)rented and invested 100% equity. I have been trying to adapt the freedom fund in the networth spreadsheet on google sheets but struggling with it. I wondered if you had an annual networth/freedom fund speadsheet I could steal so I can easily show him the effects of each scenario.
Jennifer that is SO exciting. Good work modelling it out too. We do have a tool for you and it is a workshop and a spreadsheet toegther in the financial forecasting workshop. Let me know if it helps: https://rebeldonegans.com/finance/fire/forecasting/
Suzanne Carey-Jones October 21, 2025 at 1:13 pm - Reply
Hi Alan and Katie, I’ve very nearly completed your course on catch-up. It is amazing and I am excited! I have a few questions: 1. This year I’m nearly at my allowance limit on my NHS pension (therefore dare not do the SIPPS thing). I’ve put my full allowance into 2 normal ISAs. Do I somehow need to pull across that money into a stocks and shares ISA? How do I do that? I’m terrified I’ll be ‘taking it out’ and then go over my limit when I re-invest. 2. Any money left over (because we just sold a house), do I buy an index fund from a normal account and somehow transfer it into the S&S ISA during the next tax year? Sorry I’m so confused!
Suzanne, you’re doing brilliantly! First, don’t worry—you’re not alone in this confusion. You can 100% open a stocks and shares ISA and then ask the new provider to bring across the cash ISAs into them. Then this is a transfer and won’t be taking it out. If you are planning on using Vanguard then call them, one of their benefits is they have good customer services on the phone!
For leftover funds, yes—invest in a general account (GIA) for now, then move into your ISA when the new tax year starts. It is called Bed and ISA, you will pay a bit of tax but it is best to have the money invested and working for you. You’re asking all the right questions! Peace and Pineapples 🍍✌️ —The Donegans
Hi both, my husband and I just finished the course on YouTube – it’s nothing less than life changing – thank you! I wondered if you could sign post us to some help for a bit of a random one?! Our son is 18 and born in the US so unable to get an ISA, or a T212 or Vanguard account, due to the tax implications of his dual citizenship. He’s keen to get start with making his money work for him – any ideas how he can get going?! He’s planning on remaining a UK resident for now, but who knows what the future brings! Thanks…
Lucy, YAY! so glad you are enjoying the course! For your son, do you have family in America with an address? could he open a Fidelity Account in America and invest in VT? This would be near zero total fees if he was able to do that as it is far cheaper to invest in America. As for the UK if it was done here we would have to look for platforms that accept dual citizenship, I am pretty sure Interactive Brokers does that…. Have you looked at them? Please let me know how you get on… Alan
Hi, With the government including way more in Inheritance Tax calculations from i think next year, how will this change your approach as the school is advocating building large portfolios which would be subject to substantial tax bills on death?
Hi !! Just plotting my numbers.. how do I treat Share options (SAYE)? Do the contributions paid so far go into cash? I have a number that I’ve paid in about 8k but the projected value is currently 50k? Would that go in my freedom fund if I have no plans? Also have some paper shares ( directly invested with one company – which I plan to move into S & S isa) where do i plot them for now>
Hi to both of you, First of all, thank you so much for what you do. I would consider myself fairly finance savvy, but you’ve given me a good kick up the backside to start looking at my own affairs in more detail. Just started the course and watched week1 last night. I have downloaded my bank statement into Excel and I was wondering whether you have any tools to help set up a classification automatically so that I can download and put my spending into different categories automatically in the future without having to go through every line every time I want to do it? If not, don’t worry – I’ll just have to become disciplined at doing it! I’m based in Ireland and wished there was someone like you here – from what I can make out there are very little tax incentives here to invest apart from pension and ETFs/index funds are taxed through the roof. I’ve contacted my FIA to move my pension to an execution platform and manage it myself (I’m self employed and have my own company pension). Unsurprisingly he’s told me that we will have to meet up and it will be a lot more expensive…..feeling a bit scared now as I don’t have enough knowledge yet to know whether he will be telling me the truth or just trying to scare me into staying with the pension provider he put me with! I’ll see him and try and get a second opinion if I’m not happy with what he says. Thanks again for all your help!
Hi I have maxed out my ISA and SIPP for this year and want to avoid paying tax on my savings interest before I transfer it to a new ISA in April. I am wanting to open a GIA stocks and shares but unsure of which fund to open and on what platform with the best fees. I am a low rate tax payer and close to the 1,000 personal savings allowance. Please can you point me in the right direction. Thanks.
Hey Elaine, thanks for writing. If you already have a platform or a SIPP and Stocks and Shares ISA then you probably have a free GIA included with them. Who are you with at the moment? You probably don’t need another platform depending on who you are currently with. Does that make sense? Alan
Hi, Getting back through the material of the last course you ran. Thank you so much for this wealth of knowledge and resources to use and return to. Do you have a spending tracker set against budget? In other words, are you planning to set up a budgeting tool in addition to or ideally that would be combined with the spending tracker so we track how we are spending against budget on a monthly basis say?
Hey Geraldine, that is a great idea and we spoke about that with Rebel Ninjas Martin and Lisa as that is what they do. We don’t have something like that at all at the moment. We will look into it or let us know what you create and we could improve it together and share it with everyone….. Alan and Katie
Great web website and info. Looking forward to new videos. Can you see any downside to having pension pot over £1.1m.? Wife and I lucky enough to be in that position. Total pots about £1.3m (global trackers as far as possible due to company pension limitations) ISA about £120k Maxed out this year. No kids so IHT not an issue. Mortgage free. age 62. Plan to work I more year and can contribute about £40k to pension (Keeps me in 20% tax). Plus £2880 into Wife’s SIPP .As far as I can see more tax advantage to pay into pension…..
Rob, thank you so much for writing and for sharing your numbers. You and your wife have done an incredible job getting to this position. This is the kind of question I get excited about because it’s all about optimising rather than fixing.
1. Is there a downside to having a pension pot over £1.1m? Short answer: Not really, as long as you’re aware of the tax rules and plan your withdrawals smartly. The old Lifetime Allowance (LTA) is gone, so you’re not going to get hit with a big LTA tax charge just for going over £1.1m. The main thing to watch now is the lump sum allowance (currently £268,275 per person), which is the maximum you can take tax-free from your pensions across your lifetime. 2. How much can you actually live off? With £1.3m in pensions, the classic “4% rule” says you could take out about £52k a year (4% of £1.3m). But you don’t have to take that much — and you probably don’t want to if you want to keep your tax bill low. If you only need, say, £40k–£44k a year, you’re golden. You can take 25% of your pot (up to the lump sum allowance) tax-free, and the rest is taxed as income. Example:
£1.1m × 4% = £44k/year First 25% of withdrawals (up to your lump sum allowance) is tax-free The rest is taxed as income, but you get your personal allowance (£12,570) tax-free each year, and the rest is taxed at 20% up to about £50k total income
You are in a fabulous spot and this is still SUPER tax efficient, especially as you are higher rate now.
3. Should you keep contributing to your pension? If you’re still working and can contribute £40k this year (and keep it in the 20% tax band), it’s still a great deal. You get tax relief on the way in, and you can control how and when you take it out. But you’re right to ask: is there a point where it’s better to put new money into ISAs instead? Here’s some thoughts:
Pensions: Still brilliant for tax relief, especially if you’re a higher-rate taxpayer. But once you’re close to your lump sum allowance and you’ve got more than enough to cover your desired spending, you might want to start building up your ISAs for flexibility and tax-free withdrawals. ISAs: No tax relief on the way in, but completely tax-free on the way out. Great for flexibility, especially if you want to take bigger lump sums or have more control over your withdrawals in retirement.
4. No kids, so IHT not an issue You don’t need to worry about inheritance tax planning for your pensions. That means you can focus purely on what gives you the best lifestyle and lowest tax bill.
5. Strategy for drawdown Work out how much you actually want to spend each year. If it’s under £50k, you’ll stay in the basic rate tax band. Use your tax-free lump sum allowance first (spread it over several years if you want to keep your income in the basic rate band). After that, use your personal allowance and basic rate band to keep your tax bill low. If you have ISAs, use those for extra flexibility and tax-free withdrawals.
If you want to play with the numbers, use our retirement calculator or use the Financial Forecasting workshop to plan it all out.
6. Final thoughts
You’re in a fantastic position. The “downside” is just that you need to be a bit more thoughtful about tax planning and withdrawal strategy, but you have options.
If you want to get really nerdy, check out our drawdown flowcharts and guides — they’ll walk you through the order to take money out for maximum efficiency.
Hi. Fantastic website and course etc. Following the previous question, is it worth paying into SIPP if over £1.1m. My question is around the value of withdrawing from SIPP via flexible drawdown, needing about £30k to live on, so some will be taxed at 20%. Is it worth taking an extra £20k each year to add to ISA. Yes will pay 20% now but once in ISA free to use whenever tax free…as if pension pot now is over £1.1m , and state pension in 5 years, thought is to get some out now at 20% as in future may need more one year and end up pushed into 40% tax bracket
Alan / Katie, Trying to understand – what is the benefit for opening a LISA; just before 40 – since you have had a home before – you can’t use the money for home purchase nor can you withdraw the money in LISA until 60 years; as against pension – 57 years currently. You can contribute to LISA only until 50 years age, so compounding wont work as efficiently when compared to pension since you can keep adding to pension as long as you want. Unless you have both contributed to pensions to the full annual limit and then using the LISA to get the 25% benefit, instead of contributing to S/S ISA?
Niket, great question. Our thinking is:
The money we are investing is for after we are 60. So it is long term investing
You put the money in and it gets topped up by 25% meaning it is lower rate tax free
When you get the money out you don’t pay tax either as it is in an ISA structure
This is the only way we have ever seen that you don’t get taxed at either end and the money can just grow, so this portion of our portfolio is to look after us after 60.
Does that make sense? Alan
I cannot for the life of me get the dates to work in the right format!!
I’m copying from my bank CSV (in England) so the date in column B is for example 30/05/2025 for the end of May and then in the calculated value in column H also shows 30/05/2025. Where as is if the date is 01/05/2025 for the start of May, column H is showing 5th Jan.
Clearly there’s so mis-match between UK/USA way of writing dates but I’m struggling to fix it without manually re-typing all the dates into column B. Any ideas? (Mac user, using online Microsoft excel, in the UK)
Hey Anna! Great question. One tip to try is to change the overall region setting for the spreadsheet. Find “settings” for the spreadsheet as a whole and my guess is that it’s set to USA rather than UK. Let me know if that works! I’m not sure the exact name for the setting and I’m away from my laptop so you might have to google what it is but usually it’s under file and then settings!
I had a similar issue and found a fix using Data tab > Text to Columns > Next > Next > ‘Date’: DMY > Finish
Anyone in New Zealand able to tell me where I can watch “Playing with Fire” – it’s not on AmazonPrime :(
You can get it on Apple as well https://tv.apple.com/gb/movie/playing-with-fire/umc.cmc.hn7j5m8ek3k0ghjvq0k09url and on their website has lots of sources! https://www.playingwithfire.co/ Alan
Hi thanks for running this course, it’s eye opening, especially as I hope to have financial freedom by Oct this year. I have some questions about the net worth calculator please:
1) My hubby in receipt of his drawdown DC pension, should I include this in the Freedom fund please, or should that be in the what’s your gap tool please?
2) If it should be in the Freedom fund, do I add the value of the pot now, or do I multiply the annual payment amount by 25?
3) Should I factor my projected DB pension and tax free lump sum in Freedom fund now or wait until I get these in Nov?
4) our only debt is 0% credit cards and we’ll pay these off at the end of the 0% period using the savings I’m building rather than paying the full credit card bill each month. Should I still count these as debts or should I offset the debt against the savings amount on the calculator?
Andrea love your questions.
1. we would have it in Net-worth tracker. It is a DC pension so you just put the value.
2. It is only DB (defined Benefit) pensions that you multiply by 25. DC is the value it is and then you just take from that pot!
3. For the lump sum we would wait till November. Your numbers will look great them! lol. But for the actual pension bit put in 25 x now……
4. good work paying it off whilst it is 0% interest. Love it. If it was me I would put it as debt until it has gone and then the tracker will automatically counter the cash against it in the total figure!
you are awesome Andrea! Alan
Hiya,
Thanks so much for the course – I love it! It’s pretty life changing stuff!
I am soon getting some money to put in investments, it’s a gift from a relative. Would this go in the net worth tracker? It will be a part of the freedom fund, but it doesn’t come from my earnings, so could skew the freedom rate?
Thanks,
Ruth
Ruth it will skew the freedom rate but in a GREAT way! it doesn’t matter where the money comes from it matters what you do with it so if you are investing it and making it work then put it as income in the gap tracker and then in your net-worth as it is now your investments which is AMAZING. Love that you are doing this! Have you done the course before? ALan
Hi. Where can i find the compound calculator please
Here it is Deborah: https://rebeldonegans.com/finance/take-control/compounding-calculator/
Where is the New net worth calculator?
Hey Ela, here you go! https://rebeldonegans.com/finance/take-control/net-worth-tracker/ Alan
Hello! Love the course and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the insights, tips, knowledge that you share with all of us. I would like to contribute more to my SIPP, but I don’t know where to start to calculate how much I can contribute. Do you know if there is a calculator somewhere that can help?
Thank you in advance
Linda
Hi Linda! So glad you’re loving the course and taking action—go you! 🙌 Let’s help you get clarity on your SIPP contributions. This is an overview and without knowing a bit more I have kept it pretty broad and generic. Can you give us more detail? Does this help you get started?
1. Do You Have a Defined Benefit (DB) Pension?
If you’re contributing to a DB pension (like a final salary scheme), you’ll need to ask your provider how they value your contributions. DB pensions don’t work like SIPPs or personal pensions—they’re based on salary and years of service, and the value of your contributions is calculated differently. Your provider can give you a statement showing how much you’re contributing and what benefits you’re building.
2. UK Pension Contribution Limits (2025/26)
Here’s a quick overview of the current rules:
You can contribute up to £60,000 per year across all your pensions and still receive tax relief.
However, your maximum tax-relievable contribution is capped at your total PAYE income for the year. So if you earn £30,000, that’s your personal limit—even if you haven’t hit the £60,000 cap.
If your income is over £260,000, your allowance may be tapered down to £10,000.
You can also carry forward unused allowance from the previous three tax years if you were a member of a pension scheme during those years.
If you’ve flexibly accessed your pension (e.g., taken income from a SIPP), your allowance may drop to £10,000 under the Money Purchase Annual Allowance.
You’re asking all the right questions, Linda. Keep going—you’re building a strong foundation for your financial future!
Peace and Pineapples 🍍✌️
Hi Alan and Katie – indescribable thanks for the course – I’ve missed some episodes so will be catching up with these. I read in a comment in the FB group that the course will only be up until Christmas. Will these resources and calculators be taken down too at that time, or will these be left up indefinitely? Huge thanks, once again – I can’t even BEGIN to imagine the hours and intensity of you putting this incredibly generous course together for us. Love and light xox
Natalie, you are LOVELY. thank you. The calculators will remain up and the videos will remain up a bit longer too. Someone made up Christmas but we didn’t correct it as we want people to have a deadline to keep them motivated!
Hi Katie and Alan, we’ve completed course and have absolutely loved it! A whole new world! We have the majority of our funds in fixed rate cash ISAs that we would like to transfer into S&S ISAs. However, they’re fixed until Nov, Dec and March with rates of roughly 4.5% for each. Do we make the transfer now and lose a chunk of the interest? Or wait until the end of the fixed terms? It feels like this indecision is stopping us from taking the next step towards our freedom!! Thanks again for your time and efforts, the course is amazing!!
Hey Claire, have you calculated what you would loose by moving early? The exact £££ amount? That might help you understand the decisions better.
Also November and December aren’t that far away so you can just wait till that date and transfer them. It is only a couple of months and isn’t going to make that much difference.
I would set the dates, put calendar reminders and maybe organise a fancy breakfast to open my new Stocks and Shares ISA and get the transfer going. Make a thing of it and look forward to doing it…….
Does that help Claire?
Alan
Yes it does, thank you. Breakfast is my favourite meal of the day so this sounds like a great plan 😊
AWESOME! Mine too! I LOVE IT. Maybe catch you for an amazing breakfast and finance chat one day I hope! ALan
Hi Katie and Alan, I’ve just completed the course on catch-up, I’m 60 and can’t believe I didn’t know this stuff! I’ve just re-evaluated my finances and moved them into global index funds and bingo – I can retire!
Question 1 – I have a large pension with £400K and a small pension with £100K is there any benefit in organising draw-down starting with the bigger fund or the smaller fund?
Question 2 – For tax purposes is it worth pulling a higher sum annually out of my pension to put it into my ISA? (they are both now on Vanguard and in the same global index fund)
Johanna, first off – HUGE congratulations! 🎉 You’ve just completed the course, re-evaluated your finances, moved into global index funds and realised you can retire?! That’s what we call a Rebel Finance mic drop moment! 💥💸
Some thoughts and ideas for you:
1️⃣ Big pension vs small pension – which to draw down first?
There’s no one-size-fits-all answer, but here are a few things to consider:
Flexibility: If one pot has more flexible withdrawal options or lower fees, that might be the better starting point.
Is there a reason you don’t move one into the other? DO they both have good fees and funds? Is it easy to combine?
2️⃣ Pulling pension into ISA – smart move?
Yes, this can be a great strategy! You can:
Withdraw up to your personal allowance tax-free (currently £12,570).
Then move that money into your ISA for continued tax-free growth. Just watch out for:
Annual ISA contribution limits (£20k per year).
Tax on pension withdrawals above your allowance.
This kind of strategy is covered in our Drawdown bonus week. https://www.youtube.com/live/gUZFJbkCsuk?si=j58BJcxkMe_X0kjY Did you see that week? We are planning on writing course notes for it soon.
You are awesome. Does this help at all? Alan
Hi Katie and Alan
in episode 9 of the COURSE, you mention a letter template for higher tax rate payers to claim the extra tax relief from the HMRC without filling in a tax return
Hey Nige, it is in the week 8 course notes about half way down the page: https://rebeldonegans.com/finance/rfs/course-notes/week-8/ Sending you happiness. Alan
I’m loving the course and learning a lot but am an older person already getting some pension. Can you let me know where I put in the income from pensions I am receiving in the Net Worth tracker or does that not go there?
Thank you very much
Hey Catherine, Income from a pension is income so that doesn’t go in the net-worth tracker. Is the pension a defined benefit pension? Or a Defined contribution pension? If it is DC then that value goes in the networth tracker. If it is DC then you put 25X the yearly income you get form the pension in the net-worth tracker as the value. Does that help? ALan
Hi Donegans, there was a form with blanks we could fill in to organise ourselves once retired (I think). I am sorry that’s so vague. I have a terrible memory, it was in one of the very last weeks of the course and mentioned a few times. I want to access it but for the life of me cannot as I just can’t find where it was mentioned in the sessions. Any ideas what I might be talking about? It definitely had blanks to fill in and it is not the retirement calculator or the financial forecasting playground, as we are using them and the latter is particularly amazing. Thank you.
Hey Joyce, I knew how you feel. Sometimes I end up going, where was that thing and how do I find it! Was it eh bridging calculator, they works out how much you need between the sipp and state pension? Was it the Investor Policy Statement creator? for working out how to invest and organise your money? Can you tell me more about the purpose? ALan
It was the investor policy statement! Thank you!
That does help Alan, thank you very much Catherine
YAY! Thanks for replying. Sometimes I wonder if my answer actually help!
Thank you for doing the course. We love your T-Shirts and looked forward to seeing what new Shirts you would be wearing each week. What I didn’t understand is that you said to spread the risk as much as possible with a Global index tracker, but the one you use excludes the UK so are missing out on further diversification. Why is that please?
Hey Kathryn the global fund didn’t exist when we started so we have most in the other fund. You are right that it is less global the one we have primarily got (we have £100,000 of the global one too) but the UK is only 3.6% of the global market and so doesn’t make that much difference overall. Does that help? Alan
Hi Alan and Katie,
Thanks very much for the course, brilliant and life changing.
I have been using the excellent Financial Forecasting tool and changing the figures constantly, it’s addictive! Although our total investments with the expected BTL sale included will amount to around £210k, with the 15k police pension I now receive, 2 small SIPPS and a bit of work next year, (having some time out ) we should never run out of money, even though it is far below the annual spend x 25, probably because we are mid 50s and worryingly the state pension age is only 12 years away!
My wife has found a small pension that had very little paid in to it over 30 years ago, which now has a value of £16k. This is in the Rainbow Personal Plan with Zurich, managed plan! I would like to transfer this into a Vanguard SIPP instead and continue top up later. Are there any issues to be aware of?
Thanks
Hi. My YouTube won’t let me open any links. Would you be able to post a list of them on here please? Big ask I know
All the relevant links should be on the relevant pages on the course notes – https://rebeldonegans.com/finance/rfs/course-notes/
Thank you Alan, makes sense
Hi, loving the course! Thank you so much!
We are in the process of selling our home. We are moving for husbands work. He is 55 and I would love for him to be able to have the choice to work or retire in the next 5 years. He hasn’t done the course but I have and I am currently trying to forecast what our freedom fund would be if we a) ported mortgage into similar value property b) bought cheaper and invested the remaining equity and c)rented and invested 100% equity. I have been trying to adapt the freedom fund in the networth spreadsheet on google sheets but struggling with it. I wondered if you had an annual networth/freedom fund speadsheet I could steal so I can easily show him the effects of each scenario.
Jennifer that is SO exciting. Good work modelling it out too. We do have a tool for you and it is a workshop and a spreadsheet toegther in the financial forecasting workshop. Let me know if it helps: https://rebeldonegans.com/finance/fire/forecasting/
Hi Alan and Katie,
I’ve very nearly completed your course on catch-up. It is amazing and I am excited! I have a few questions:
1. This year I’m nearly at my allowance limit on my NHS pension (therefore dare not do the SIPPS thing). I’ve put my full allowance into 2 normal ISAs. Do I somehow need to pull across that money into a stocks and shares ISA? How do I do that? I’m terrified I’ll be ‘taking it out’ and then go over my limit when I re-invest.
2. Any money left over (because we just sold a house), do I buy an index fund from a normal account and somehow transfer it into the S&S ISA during the next tax year?
Sorry I’m so confused!
Suzanne, you’re doing brilliantly! First, don’t worry—you’re not alone in this confusion. You can 100% open a stocks and shares ISA and then ask the new provider to bring across the cash ISAs into them. Then this is a transfer and won’t be taking it out. If you are planning on using Vanguard then call them, one of their benefits is they have good customer services on the phone!
For leftover funds, yes—invest in a general account (GIA) for now, then move into your ISA when the new tax year starts. It is called Bed and ISA, you will pay a bit of tax but it is best to have the money invested and working for you. You’re asking all the right questions!
Peace and Pineapples 🍍✌️
—The Donegans
Hi both, my husband and I just finished the course on YouTube – it’s nothing less than life changing – thank you! I wondered if you could sign post us to some help for a bit of a random one?! Our son is 18 and born in the US so unable to get an ISA, or a T212 or Vanguard account, due to the tax implications of his dual citizenship. He’s keen to get start with making his money work for him – any ideas how he can get going?! He’s planning on remaining a UK resident for now, but who knows what the future brings! Thanks…
Lucy, YAY! so glad you are enjoying the course! For your son, do you have family in America with an address? could he open a Fidelity Account in America and invest in VT? This would be near zero total fees if he was able to do that as it is far cheaper to invest in America. As for the UK if it was done here we would have to look for platforms that accept dual citizenship, I am pretty sure Interactive Brokers does that…. Have you looked at them? Please let me know how you get on… Alan
Hi,
With the government including way more in Inheritance Tax calculations from i think next year, how will this change your approach as the school is advocating building large portfolios which would be subject to substantial tax bills on death?
Hi !! Just plotting my numbers.. how do I treat Share options (SAYE)? Do the contributions paid so far go into cash? I have a number that I’ve paid in about 8k but the projected value is currently 50k? Would that go in my freedom fund if I have no plans? Also have some paper shares ( directly invested with one company – which I plan to move into S & S isa) where do i plot them for now>
Hi to both of you,
First of all, thank you so much for what you do. I would consider myself fairly finance savvy, but you’ve given me a good kick up the backside to start looking at my own affairs in more detail. Just started the course and watched week1 last night. I have downloaded my bank statement into Excel and I was wondering whether you have any tools to help set up a classification automatically so that I can download and put my spending into different categories automatically in the future without having to go through every line every time I want to do it? If not, don’t worry – I’ll just have to become disciplined at doing it!
I’m based in Ireland and wished there was someone like you here – from what I can make out there are very little tax incentives here to invest apart from pension and ETFs/index funds are taxed through the roof. I’ve contacted my FIA to move my pension to an execution platform and manage it myself (I’m self employed and have my own company pension). Unsurprisingly he’s told me that we will have to meet up and it will be a lot more expensive…..feeling a bit scared now as I don’t have enough knowledge yet to know whether he will be telling me the truth or just trying to scare me into staying with the pension provider he put me with! I’ll see him and try and get a second opinion if I’m not happy with what he says.
Thanks again for all your help!
Hi I have maxed out my ISA and SIPP for this year and want to avoid paying tax on my savings interest before I transfer it to a new ISA in April. I am wanting to open a GIA stocks and shares but unsure of which fund to open and on what platform with the best fees. I am a low rate tax payer and close to the 1,000 personal savings allowance. Please can you point me in the right direction. Thanks.
Hey Elaine, thanks for writing. If you already have a platform or a SIPP and Stocks and Shares ISA then you probably have a free GIA included with them. Who are you with at the moment? You probably don’t need another platform depending on who you are currently with. Does that make sense? Alan
Hi, Getting back through the material of the last course you ran. Thank you so much for this wealth of knowledge and resources to use and return to. Do you have a spending tracker set against budget? In other words, are you planning to set up a budgeting tool in addition to or ideally that would be combined with the spending tracker so we track how we are spending against budget on a monthly basis say?
Hey Geraldine, that is a great idea and we spoke about that with Rebel Ninjas Martin and Lisa as that is what they do. We don’t have something like that at all at the moment. We will look into it or let us know what you create and we could improve it together and share it with everyone….. Alan and Katie
Great web website and info. Looking forward to new videos. Can you see any downside to having pension pot over £1.1m.? Wife and I lucky enough to be in that position. Total pots about £1.3m (global trackers as far as possible due to company pension limitations) ISA about £120k Maxed out this year. No kids so IHT not an issue. Mortgage free. age 62. Plan to work I more year and can contribute about £40k to pension (Keeps me in 20% tax). Plus £2880 into Wife’s SIPP .As far as I can see more tax advantage to pay into pension…..
Rob, thank you so much for writing and for sharing your numbers. You and your wife have done an incredible job getting to this position. This is the kind of question I get excited about because it’s all about optimising rather than fixing.
1. Is there a downside to having a pension pot over £1.1m?
Short answer: Not really, as long as you’re aware of the tax rules and plan your withdrawals smartly. The old Lifetime Allowance (LTA) is gone, so you’re not going to get hit with a big LTA tax charge just for going over £1.1m. The main thing to watch now is the lump sum allowance (currently £268,275 per person), which is the maximum you can take tax-free from your pensions across your lifetime.
2. How much can you actually live off?
With £1.3m in pensions, the classic “4% rule” says you could take out about £52k a year (4% of £1.3m). But you don’t have to take that much — and you probably don’t want to if you want to keep your tax bill low. If you only need, say, £40k–£44k a year, you’re golden. You can take 25% of your pot (up to the lump sum allowance) tax-free, and the rest is taxed as income.
Example:
£1.1m × 4% = £44k/year
First 25% of withdrawals (up to your lump sum allowance) is tax-free
The rest is taxed as income, but you get your personal allowance (£12,570) tax-free each year, and the rest is taxed at 20% up to about £50k total income
You are in a fabulous spot and this is still SUPER tax efficient, especially as you are higher rate now.
3. Should you keep contributing to your pension?
If you’re still working and can contribute £40k this year (and keep it in the 20% tax band), it’s still a great deal. You get tax relief on the way in, and you can control how and when you take it out. But you’re right to ask: is there a point where it’s better to put new money into ISAs instead? Here’s some thoughts:
Pensions: Still brilliant for tax relief, especially if you’re a higher-rate taxpayer. But once you’re close to your lump sum allowance and you’ve got more than enough to cover your desired spending, you might want to start building up your ISAs for flexibility and tax-free withdrawals.
ISAs: No tax relief on the way in, but completely tax-free on the way out. Great for flexibility, especially if you want to take bigger lump sums or have more control over your withdrawals in retirement.
4. No kids, so IHT not an issue
You don’t need to worry about inheritance tax planning for your pensions. That means you can focus purely on what gives you the best lifestyle and lowest tax bill.
5. Strategy for drawdown
Work out how much you actually want to spend each year. If it’s under £50k, you’ll stay in the basic rate tax band.
Use your tax-free lump sum allowance first (spread it over several years if you want to keep your income in the basic rate band).
After that, use your personal allowance and basic rate band to keep your tax bill low.
If you have ISAs, use those for extra flexibility and tax-free withdrawals.
If you want to play with the numbers, use our retirement calculator or use the Financial Forecasting workshop to plan it all out.
6. Final thoughts
You’re in a fantastic position. The “downside” is just that you need to be a bit more thoughtful about tax planning and withdrawal strategy, but you have options.
If you want to get really nerdy, check out our drawdown flowcharts and guides — they’ll walk you through the order to take money out for maximum efficiency.
Peace and pineapples,
Alan & Katie
Hi. Fantastic website and course etc. Following the previous question, is it worth paying into SIPP if over £1.1m. My question is around the value of withdrawing from SIPP via flexible drawdown, needing about £30k to live on, so some will be taxed at 20%. Is it worth taking an extra £20k each year to add to ISA. Yes will pay 20% now but once in ISA free to use whenever tax free…as if pension pot now is over £1.1m , and state pension in 5 years, thought is to get some out now at 20% as in future may need more one year and end up pushed into 40% tax bracket